tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post5667991060446907405..comments2024-03-05T19:50:31.497-08:00Comments on World O' Crap: The Exorcist 5: The QuickeningScotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02798340582589737829noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-81449602421931174002011-02-04T14:39:11.287-08:002011-02-04T14:39:11.287-08:00Chris,
My offer in the previous thread is still ou...Chris,<br />My offer in the previous thread is still out there.<br />But, in view of the above, I am now also (and for a limited time only)adding to my offer free board and lodging (sketchy at best).<br /><br />SuezbooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-58396479859769314992011-02-03T21:13:33.172-08:002011-02-03T21:13:33.172-08:00...ignorance has not deterred imprudent tongues an...<i>...ignorance has not deterred imprudent tongues and keyboards from casting dark innuendos...</i><br /><br />Am I to understand that my keyboard is alleged to have given careless tongue to the brickbats and catcalls of the braying yahoos of the dockyard?<br /><br />I put it to your Grace that my keyboard is prudent, mindful of its place, and further, places no quarrel with either the church or his Grace's dalliance with innocents of his charge.<br /><br />[wait for it]<br /><br />Me, not so much.Chris Vosburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-51124049409168199062011-02-01T15:14:38.309-08:002011-02-01T15:14:38.309-08:00Well, well, well. With a rudimentary knowledge of ...Well, well, well. With a rudimentary knowledge of Latin and years of training you <i>can</i> fuck the hell out of someone.scriptohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17899049404620738944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-40539321478196885672011-01-31T21:44:19.684-08:002011-01-31T21:44:19.684-08:00filling their heads full of weird ideas about cats...<i>filling their heads full of weird ideas about cats being ferocious monsters that want to tear them limb from limb</i><br /><br />Which part of that is weird again?<br /><br />And the zombie thing? I am totally giving that a try. I don't, I admit, expect much since I couldn't turn them into Bigfoots (Bigfeet?), but I suspect trying to imagine them as little yellow flowers will seriously piss them off, which is basically what I live for these days, annoying the hell out of my hallucinations.D. Sidhenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-32323527677139415062011-01-31T18:40:00.489-08:002011-01-31T18:40:00.489-08:00...ignorance has not deterred imprudent tongues an...<i>...ignorance has not deterred imprudent tongues and keyboards from casting dark innuendos...</i><br /><br />Why yes, it's those long, hot, sweaty nights spent laying awake thinking and thinking about the *imprudent tongues* lashing that drives one over the edge.<br /><br />Also too, "keyboards"... Coincidentally, I just netflixed a movie last night that used "keyboard" in exactly this way (if-you-know-what-I-mean-and-I-think-that-you-do). It's the indie film <i>Dogtooth</i> (which really ought to receive a Wo'C review btw!) in which the seriously twisted parents homeschool their kids in complete seclusion, filling their heads full of weird ideas about cats being ferocious monsters that want to tear them limb from limb, subversive words like "pussy" are replaced with less inflammatory ones like "keyboard", and "zombie" is explained to mean a "small yellow flower".meliornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-10634292817798526442011-01-31T16:57:44.217-08:002011-01-31T16:57:44.217-08:00Hey baby, looks like you could use a good exorcism...<i>Hey baby, looks like you could use a good exorcism.</i><br /><br />Man, that old line predates the Reformation. I can't believe anyone falls for it.scriptohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17899049404620738944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-6368277952222798462011-01-31T14:45:26.962-08:002011-01-31T14:45:26.962-08:00D. Sidhe, there's a recent Jack Chick tract (I...D. Sidhe, there's a recent Jack Chick tract (I sent Scott a link to it last week) that goes a step further than that, saying that not only are gay people possessed by demons, but they entered them when they were victims of childhood molestation. In they tract, a Nurse working at an AIDS hospice spells it out for the patients in her care, saying that she herself became possessed by demons after being raped. The whole thing is truly insane. If I can find the link later I'll post it here (unless Scott beats me to it.)Bill Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-80353477974435945232011-01-31T12:28:25.810-08:002011-01-31T12:28:25.810-08:00heydave, what I think that line means is that whil...heydave, what I think that line means is that while the women seemed better at first, they stopped paying the fees and so were reposessed. (Seriously, I think that's what it means.)s.z.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17693379731287413926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-52771175459710358302011-01-31T12:09:29.473-08:002011-01-31T12:09:29.473-08:00I won't wade into deep waters (yeah, I'm s...I won't wade into deep waters (yeah, I'm shocked too!) but this line:<br /><i>After some initial success with healing, many of these relationships went on for years with minimal positive results</i><br />...what can one say? Bitchez want a ring? Or is that a whole 'nuther level of doubletalk?heydavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15509102502417886790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-26118689058350775812011-01-31T11:49:22.207-08:002011-01-31T11:49:22.207-08:00One great Buddhist master, Milarepa, had a bit of ...One great Buddhist master, Milarepa, had a bit of bad karma to get through (how does mass murderer sound?) and said that demons used to come visit him in his cave from time to time. He would welcome them in, offer them tea, speak to them about philosophy etc. None of this "get thee hence" crap. He figured that the demons were no more or less real than anybody else he might run into, and he showed them the same respect. A very sane approach, really.<br /><br />Stories like Father Tom's remind me of the old Flip Wilson "The Devil Made Me Buy This Dress" routine where the preacher's wife does crazy shit all day and blames the devil. The preacher finally asks his wife why the devil doesn't do anything good for him. She replies, "I asked the devil about that and he says he's already done something good for you. He says without him you wouldn't have a job."trashfirenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-14622357475380589912011-01-31T09:29:33.001-08:002011-01-31T09:29:33.001-08:00Actually, no. All you have to believe is that your...Actually, no. All you have to believe is that your god is so loving towards humanity that he's willing to give them free will, and to do so knowing that by his own rules, he will send to eternal torment in hell some or most of them (depends on your position on the faith vs acts nature of salvation. Does god offer salvation to people who believe in him, or who do good works? Because the vast majority of humans will never, ever have heard of the Christian god, so even if they are the most wonderful people in the world, they may still be damned). <br /><br />The basic argument behind possession by demons, and this actually isn't just a demon or a Christian thing, I was taught as a neopagan that some pretty nasty things can come to inhabit you if you're careless or unlucky, is that you leave yourself open to demon possession by doing things that Christians call sin. By lying, by blaspheming, by stealing or taking drugs or looking at pornography, by disobedience to your parents or your husband or your religious leader or your god. The list goes on, things like lust and listening to heavy metal music and reading Harry Potter books. I'm not kidding, they really are telling schizophrenics and gay kids that you not only are suffering because you are owned by evil, but that you brought it on yourself by being very, very bad. <br /><br />Which is a horrible thing to say to a person with unbalanced brain chemistry, or who has been abused by someone they trusted, or who is just fucking gay. And it's even worse when you use it as an excuse to exploit them or abuse them, which of course you can then go on to blame them for.<br /><br />But, hey, that's because god loves you just that much. <br /><br />Let's face it, these arguments pretty much only work on people who have wrangled the whole Why Would A Loving, All-Powerful God Allow Bad Things To Happen To Good People conundrum, especially if they've managed to resolve it in favor of "He wouldn't: They must not really be good people!" But if that were a minority viewpoint, there'd be no Republican Party.<br /><br />Seriously. This shit burns me up.D. Sidhenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-39329181320112936212011-01-31T07:40:48.142-08:002011-01-31T07:40:48.142-08:00What gets me is, in order to believe in demonic po...What gets me is, in order to believe in demonic possession, don't you have to believe your God is an incompetent boob?<br />For starters, if God is the creater of ALL THINGS, that'd have to include demons. That seems wildly impractical: creating something whose only purpose is to sabotage your own plans. And you'd think an all-knowing, all-seeing deity would be better able to keep track of the little fucker and stop them in their tracks. There's no reason whatsoever why he shouldn't have just used his SUPER DUPER GOD POWERS to destroy them all eons ago. Especially when they serve absolutely no beneficial purpose whatsoever. Keeping them around is like working hard to preserve the flea population in an animal shelter. But on a broader scale, and with more horrible consequences.Bill Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-16362255509503101302011-01-31T04:59:33.239-08:002011-01-31T04:59:33.239-08:00Yeah, some of us do know what the deal is with &qu...Yeah, some of us do know what the deal is with "exorcism ministries". For starters, the reason the Pope doesn't mention it is that while Catholics believe possession is real, they also, nowadays, believe it's extremely rare. They mostly believe this because they used to do their chants on it a lot and it caused any number of scandals and a general sense that Catholics were quite silly indeed. Churches that didn't have some sort of well-publicized Inquisition in which people generally got very carried away and there ended up being bodies stacked like cordwood still think it's very common.<br /><br />There are traveling conmen and self-deluded types who will perform, generally for a fee, an exorcism. They tend to be less well related to official sects of Christianity, and are basically the religious version of "hypnotherapists" who will uncover your repressed memories of alien abduction. In both cases, if they don't want money up front, you may assume they're going to dramatize the fuck out of you for books and lectures later. <br /><br />Those are what we call your best-case scenarios. A certain subsection of these people are extremely creepy people who merely ask for unquestioned access to the mentally ill or otherwise troubled. Molestation is common. Rape is not significantly less so. Statutory rape and manipulated marginally consensual relationships are also extremely common. Cults of personality are for the highly ambitious, but do happen. Heaven's Gate, anyone?<br /><br />Catholic priests are strongly discouraged from doing it, and it's not common or official, but the rituals are in their books and it does happen from time to time.<br /><br />Generally, these people are not called in by the mentally ill person, but by their family. People are "exorcised" with elaborate ritual of schizophrenia, of autism, of dissociative disorders, as well as of promiscuity, drug abuse, rebellious behavior, and for random shit like D&D playing and homosexuality. <br /><br />For especially ugly ironies, sometimes kids who tell people their religious leaders or their parents are molesting them, or who act out in the ways common to sexual abuse victims, will be treated to exorcism and associated additional victimization.<br /><br />In my experience, the point of the ordeal is to torture the fuck out of some poor kid or crazy person so they'll be scared into knocking it off for however long they are able, which isn't very long since there's no actual treatment being offered and in some cases no actual problem to fucking solve in the first place. <br /><br />The whole thing is horrible, and even the ones who are sincere and non-abusive need to be shunned. Because taking a mentally troubled person and not only denying them effective treatment but going on to tell them they're suffering because they are evil, is monstrously shitweasel behavior, even if you don't also grope them or bilk them.<br /><br />And I am an ungrateful asshole for not even trying to be witty and for not keeping my sprained funnybone to myself, but I really, really, really loathe these people.D. Sidhenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-88540779883435909022011-01-31T03:24:20.175-08:002011-01-31T03:24:20.175-08:00"We hope Jenn and Matt have learned something..."We hope Jenn and Matt have learned something from it."<br />I'm not optimistic.<br />Wingnuts never learn, and the certainly never admit they're wrong, even when the evidence they're wrong is directly in front of them under a flashing sign with letters the size of the Chrysler building.Bill Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-13931576857906582402011-01-31T00:56:00.123-08:002011-01-31T00:56:00.123-08:00Oh, so THIS is where you've been hiding your b...Oh, so THIS is where you've been hiding your blog!<br />You're as elusive as Robert Denby!<br />But know I'm gonna nudge ya in the sweet spot and declare this a great article.HMDKnoreply@blogger.com