tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post3702603119234069779..comments2024-03-05T19:50:31.497-08:00Comments on World O' Crap: Bryan Fischer: I Never Said I Didn't Believe in SOCIAL Darwininsm!Scotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02798340582589737829noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-78991846134230812572012-07-02T06:00:14.863-07:002012-07-02T06:00:14.863-07:00One of the single most destructive memes regarding...One of the single most destructive memes regarding health care is the idea that people can just "make healthy lifestyle choices" and eliminate medical issues altogether. Unlike Reaganomics, this meme has a trickle-down effect in that everyone is judged, unfairly and harshly, about every aspect of their lives, especially if said aspect can be linked to a person's socioeconomic standing. <br /><br />I'll never forget a bit on ABC radio news about a decade ago where some health professional (allegedly) practically sniffed her nose into her face as she said black people have worse health than whites because they accept fat people socially. Whites, she said, were better because they shamed their fatties. It was presented completely straight, though by the time I got online that night I noticed the news articles had been toned down.<br /><br />Recently there was even a news article about a study that claimed people who vote Republican were healthier. Such horrible propaganda, and it easily takes hold in our culture because of our delightfully Puritan beginnings.<br /><br />And my guess is Bryan has health problems that he doesn't believe for a second are all his fault.Staciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05250238254417726987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-19356261897836177992012-07-01T11:33:09.532-07:002012-07-01T11:33:09.532-07:00Whenever I see Bryan, I wonder if he likes gladiat...Whenever I see Bryan, I wonder if he likes gladiator movies.heydavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15509102502417886790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-62139208479280819702012-07-01T06:38:05.076-07:002012-07-01T06:38:05.076-07:00If Bryan doesn't like Obamacare, he ought to m...If Bryan doesn't like Obamacare, he ought to move ... <a href="http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare" rel="nofollow">to Canada!</a>Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-33999310966887683742012-06-30T11:44:10.802-07:002012-06-30T11:44:10.802-07:00Employees who make healthy lifestyle choices and r...<i>Employees who make healthy lifestyle choices and rarely need medical care wind up with nothing to show for it, other than higher premiums to pay for other employees who don’t look after themselves.</i><br /><br />What is this guy smoking? Last year this time I was on the county and paid a $15 copay to visit the doctor. Now I'm an employee with a full medical plan -- and a $40 copay for a primary care visit to the SAME doctor. Of course, I'm making twice as much money so it's OK; I'm willing to pay a little more to help people who don't have as much. And I'm not even a christian!StickIthttp://stickitblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-79343228051438774982012-06-30T10:51:52.866-07:002012-06-30T10:51:52.866-07:00Oh capital! Are the irish poor back on the menu?
...Oh capital! Are the irish poor back on the menu?<br /><br />But, clearly Bryan Fisher reaction could never be as delicious as Mean Jean Schmidt's near orgazm over the CNN/Faux News claim that the mandate was struck down...Grung_e_Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-4059819014440494472012-06-29T20:35:56.447-07:002012-06-29T20:35:56.447-07:00The deeper the pocket, the higher the bill, D, and...The deeper the pocket, the higher the bill, D, and again, that is fucked up.<br /><br />When we finally go single payer, as inevitably we will, it will necessarily be accompanied by oversight into cost, but I doubt I'll see this in my own lifetime. My nieces will, and that's all I can hope for.Chris Vosburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-57377343288410215042012-06-29T15:44:38.399-07:002012-06-29T15:44:38.399-07:00If you're indigent, then the tab is picked up ...<i>If you're indigent, then the tab is picked up by the state or federal government at the highest rate, but if you're actually proposing to pay for it yourself, the cost is less. Much less.</i><br /><br />So you're telling me that when the government contracts with private organizations and there's little or no oversight, the private groups have an incentive to inflate the bill? I'm shocked!D Johnstonhttp://kingdomofsharks.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-80077125901226329422012-06-29T14:02:21.341-07:002012-06-29T14:02:21.341-07:00Anonymous writes: If you don't have insurance,...Anonymous writes: <i>If you don't have insurance, doctors, dentists, hospitals, and everyone else in the health care industry will charge you more money than people who are insured.</i><br /><br />Uh, we seem to be missing a step here. Actually, the LA Times article I cited above concluded that the exact opposite is true.<br /><br />An example from the article:<br /><br /><i>Los Alamitos Medical Center, for instance, lists a CT scan of the abdomen on a state website for $4,423. Blue Shield says its negotiated rate at the hospital is about $2,400. When The Times called for a cash price, the hospital said it was $250.</i><br /><br />If you're indigent, then the tab is picked up by the state or federal government at the highest rate, but if you're actually proposing to pay for it yourself, the cost is less. Much less.Chris Vosburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-48862609605356777942012-06-29T13:58:11.572-07:002012-06-29T13:58:11.572-07:00I have only a single answer, and that is single pa...<i>I have only a single answer, and that is single payer, at the federal level, and fuck all else.</i><br /><br />Amen.<br />~ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©https://www.blogger.com/profile/06252371815131259831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-55973397251398331802012-06-29T13:41:25.543-07:002012-06-29T13:41:25.543-07:00If you don't have insurance, doctors, dentists...If you don't have insurance, doctors, dentists, hospitals, and everyone else in the health care industry will charge you more money than people who are insured. Then again, even if you have insurance that's no guarantee that the company will honor your policy. I wish that Obama would have just opened up Medicare to everyone who wanted to join, because for-profit insurance is simply legalized theft.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-75793548339283707632012-06-29T11:46:44.895-07:002012-06-29T11:46:44.895-07:00Also, for further disheartening news about just ho...Also, for further disheartening news about just how badly broken our health care system in the US is, check out <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/27/business/la-fi-medical-prices-20120527" rel="nofollow">this LA Times article</a> on the disparity in pricing identical treatments for cash paying customers and the insured.<br /><br />I have only a single answer, and that is single payer, at the federal level, and fuck all else. There really isn't any other way to go. If, as the constitution tells me, the point is to provide for the general welfare, then what else?Chris Vosburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-58554066293212217092012-06-29T11:31:33.187-07:002012-06-29T11:31:33.187-07:00Most remarkable of all is the fundamental error un...Most remarkable of all is the fundamental error underlying Fischer's opinion: his belief that hospitals supply free medical care to the indigent.<br /><br />They don't. They are recompensed by the state and federal government, at princely emergency room rates, for treatment of those who cannot afford to pay and may only require something as simple as treatment for an infection (perhaps an antibiotic prescription and nothing more is needed).<br /><br />And as a result of it having been made illegal, by the Bush admin, to negotiate drug prices in the US with pharmaceutical companies, this is again recompensed without a blink by state or federal government, at princely rates.<br /><br />Allow me to illustrate with a personal story: I suffer from emphysema as a result of chasing the camel for some 45 years, and it shows. There are of course, remedies for this; you've probably seen them expensively advertised on TV.<br /><br />Spiriva is sort of the rolls-royce of COPD meds, and I recently had some big fun at the local Walgreen Drugstore attempting to fill a 90-day scrip.<br /><br />They wanted $850. No I'm not kidding, and I actually asked for a glass of water on the spot so I could execute a proper spit-take in response (a Chinese Fan, if you're curious, as ably demonstrated by Joel in one of the MST3K eps). The Walgreen pharmacy staff was not amused, but, well, fuck them very much, they deserved it.<br /><br />So, I'm buying meds online. Because it's coming from outside the US, the price is roughly a quarter of the Walgreen price (with free shipping!), and that's for the genuine brand name Spiriva-- a generic is also available from India for about a tenth of the Walgreen price-- which I haven't tried yet, because I'm sort of new to this, and want to take it one step at a time. <br /><br />But, see, that's my point: Big Pharma charges what they do in the US simply because they can; they can't elsewhere because of government regulations regarding the cost of meds-- in virtually all other countries.<br /><br />That's fucked up. Way fucked up.Chris Vosburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-1746715798127563042012-06-29T09:31:00.200-07:002012-06-29T09:31:00.200-07:00Yet another example of how different people see th...Yet another example of how different people see the world. Most of us view health care and insurance as a major life purchase, like a new car or a house. The chronically dim, on the other hand, want to treat it like a consumer purchase, such as a pair of distressed jeans or a box of Lipton. In fact, there's your solution - we need to start selling health insurance at Wal-Mart. We can sell it like cell phone plans - in fact, why not use the same kiosks? That'll keep people from focusing on those impulse buys like antibiotics and blood work.<br /><br />(It's hard to make this funny, isn't it? Fisher's three point plan is basically: 1) Let poor people die, 2) Let middle-class people die, 3) Let really sick people die. My old Chinese history professor had a term he used to describe people who allowed others to suffer and die needlessly. He called them "moral horrors." Fits, doesn't it?)D Johnstonhttp://kingdomofsharks.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-11427112188463689902012-06-29T08:40:53.205-07:002012-06-29T08:40:53.205-07:00Well, should we call Bryan Fischer's plan the....Well, should we call Bryan Fischer's plan the...."Final Solution"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-39137520236770246192012-06-29T06:55:05.478-07:002012-06-29T06:55:05.478-07:00Just like Jesus said, right Bryan?
"Fuck the...Just like Jesus said, right Bryan?<br /><br />"Fuck the poors and the sick, because they've got no monies."<br />~ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©https://www.blogger.com/profile/06252371815131259831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-16039620410961927442012-06-29T05:51:33.128-07:002012-06-29T05:51:33.128-07:00Would it really be that much of a savings for soci...Would it really be that much of a savings for society as a whole if everything we saved on health care had to go for running snowplows year round to clear the corpses of the un- and under insured off the streets?Helmut Monotremenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-72200208210310046992012-06-29T05:20:57.355-07:002012-06-29T05:20:57.355-07:00OK, I've officially had it. I like to point an...OK, I've officially had it. I like to point and laugh as much as the next guy, and the rethug clown car has had a lot of amusement value. This, however, is beyond snark. May this "person" find the emergency room packed and unavailable the next time he needs it.JoeBuddhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01898909102330597334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-16572771202980221742012-06-29T05:00:19.337-07:002012-06-29T05:00:19.337-07:00Bryan, Jonathan Swift called. You're doing it ...Bryan, Jonathan Swift called. You're doing it wrong. It's supposed to be satire.<br /><br />But what a relief to find out that Fischer isn't just a homophobe. He hates everyone.LinGinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02886475328549600984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-40714510130428847892012-06-29T04:53:11.646-07:002012-06-29T04:53:11.646-07:00I dunno, Fischer is like Uncle Asshole, white-hair...I dunno, Fischer is like Uncle Asshole, white-haired old bastard who is a complete and utter asshole by nature...Old School, if you like.<br /><br />Mikey is a young-gunner with pretensions. He's the tight asshole that likes it personal and rough. The fucked up Cousin Asshole you only see once or twice every other year, who cranks up the assholishness whenever he senses he's being annoying.<br /><br />I don't think I can compare the two--apples and oranges; a matter of taste.<br /><br />I personally find Adams to be the most grating kind of asshole in that I frequently hope to see a news story that he's accidentally shot his own balls off and bleed to death because he won't allow the woman paramedic to treat him.<br /><br />Fischer I'd be satisfied if he just went senile, his well-trained family packes him off to the cheapest old folks home they can find, where he sits drooling in a murky corner, dependent on that Christian charity for the rest of his days.Colenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-3423307621655199372012-06-29T02:37:30.294-07:002012-06-29T02:37:30.294-07:00Bill, I think it's time for another round of &...Bill, I think it's time for another round of "Worst Wingnut" pageant, dontcha think?Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03664920037425489644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-46329438801446969112012-06-29T02:36:56.371-07:002012-06-29T02:36:56.371-07:00Most hospitals were started by Christians or Chris...<i>Most hospitals were started by Christians or Christian organizations</i><br /><br />Long Island Jewish and Cedars Sinai has a sad...Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03664920037425489644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-14546879150718362132012-06-29T01:16:58.840-07:002012-06-29T01:16:58.840-07:00Bryan Fischer truly is the World's Biggest Ass...Bryan Fischer truly is the World's Biggest Asshole, isn't he? He's bumped Mike Adams from the top spot, which is quite an accomplishment.Bill Snoreply@blogger.com