tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post5024964772252793599..comments2024-03-05T19:50:31.497-08:00Comments on World O' Crap: We Used to KnowScotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02798340582589737829noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-4790995723678408342012-05-23T01:17:07.983-07:002012-05-23T01:17:07.983-07:00Yeah, I suspected that was true-- those fucking sc...Yeah, I suspected that was true-- those fucking scamps. Thanks Mentis, nice catch.<br /><br />Nice publicity for the John Cage Foundation, dedicated to supporting up and coming musicians who could use a hand.Chris Vosburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-71074580274781582222012-05-23T00:52:05.776-07:002012-05-23T00:52:05.776-07:00Gratefully-- and my apologies for it being somewha...Gratefully-- and my apologies for it being somewhat belated-- acknowledged, Mentis. Nice catch, man.Chris Vosburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-35680535380722259682012-05-06T17:29:26.876-07:002012-05-06T17:29:26.876-07:00Mike Batt admitted the whole thing was set up.
ht...Mike Batt admitted the whole thing was set up.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-11964995" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-11964995</a><br /><br />And the "six figure sum" was 1,000.00 pounds.Mentis Fugithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07964443139632139131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-11521801648643686332012-05-01T15:45:04.206-07:002012-05-01T15:45:04.206-07:00I suppose the "He's So Fine"/"M...I suppose the "He's So Fine"/"My Sweet Lord" case is too obvious and well known to add to this compilation.<br /><br />Heck, Bach nicked stuff from Vivaldi. And if it weren't for Stravinsky, there would <i>be</i> no 20th C. thriller movie music.Li'l Innocenthttp://ladysmantle.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-59447048350800032992012-05-01T13:43:19.572-07:002012-05-01T13:43:19.572-07:00Chris, yes, I'm familiar with the Cage piece a...Chris, yes, I'm familiar with the Cage piece and the silly infringement claim, but estates are all about maximizing financial return. Gail Zappa is probably the poster child for frivolous lawsuits, allegedly to protect Frank's legacy, but everyone knows its's all about the money. I'm guessing Batt must have had deep pockets. I can think of others who have put silent pieces on their recordings without being sued, but they were obscure acts unlikely to become a cash cow for lawyers. In any case, Cage himself would certainly never have made such a fuss. <br /><br />bidzilibagidouillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533363114045396813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-27903283526369278172012-05-01T11:25:58.276-07:002012-05-01T11:25:58.276-07:00And of course there are things like the 12-bar blu...And of course there are things like the 12-bar blues progression (with 8- and 16- bar variants) and that four-chord progression that makes up lots of doo-wop songs (and other pop songs, too, including perennial piano duet Heart and Soul) that are simply there. As far as I know, no one really knows their origins.TBPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-7901531649327927352012-05-01T11:12:41.067-07:002012-05-01T11:12:41.067-07:00Composers, classical and pop both, have always tak...Composers, classical and pop both, have always taken inspiration from each other. Stravinsky supposedly said, "Good composers borrow; great composers steal."<br /><br />Indeed, there is the idea that all art progresses by "misreading" the art of the past in ways that end up making new art. It isn't always done consciously and it's often very difficult to know where "homage" ends and "actionable plagiarism" begins.<br /><br />One of the music history professors at my grad school offered a whole course in musical borrowing that sounded like it was going to be fascinating. (Sadly, I wasn't able to fit it into my curriculum.)TBPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-84447522577151006342012-04-30T23:10:06.064-07:002012-04-30T23:10:06.064-07:00Bidz, I should clarify that I excerpted from Ian&#...Bidz, I should clarify that I excerpted from Ian's interview a joke he made near the end of his comments. He understood and made clear in the interview that it was not conscious on the part of Eagles songwriters, and happens to any songwriter.<br /><br />And your "funniest story" reminded me of my own favorite:<br /><br />Composer Mike Batt placed on one of his records a track called "A Minute Of Silence" which was in fact just that and was sued by the John Cage Estate for infringement of Cage's well known "4'33''," which was four minutes and thirty three seconds of silence (in three movements, no less).<br /><br />Avant Garde composers, what are ya gonna do.<br /><br />Best comment was that made by Mike's mum, who wondered which minute they were alleging he stole.<br /><br />Amicable donation in six figures was made to the Cage Foundation and everyone had a good laugh.Chris Vosburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-58500804804764161992012-04-30T22:39:16.754-07:002012-04-30T22:39:16.754-07:00Carl writes: I know "flautist" is the co...Carl writes: <i>I know "flautist" is the correct term, but that always sounds like someone who walks around in a dirty raincoat and boots</i><br /><br />..and let's don't even get started on "pianist". Now I'm wondering what a guy who plays a horn-- French or otherwise-- is called.Chris Vosburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-74376983544940955282012-04-30T08:14:01.781-07:002012-04-30T08:14:01.781-07:00So cool, Chris; but then you are the coolest of co...So cool, Chris; but then you are the coolest of cool cats (next to the wonderful Snoozing Like Commas Biddy & Boy on The Other Side AND Her Ever-Regal Bitchiness Riley & his ever-mellowness Moondoggie on THIS Side). Thank you. I adore the funnies and the snark, but this touched me in a way that I can't describe. But not in a Mr. Bad Touch kind of way. Just thought that I should clarify.<br /><br />~The Minx!~Nadinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06700808766186461009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-22532557701270796652012-04-30T02:35:52.375-07:002012-04-30T02:35:52.375-07:00Er, later claimed, not lairEr, later claimed, not lairCarlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03664920037425489644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-90058333969366676022012-04-30T02:35:21.222-07:002012-04-30T02:35:21.222-07:00I know "flautist" is the correct term, b...I know "flautist" is the correct term, but that always sounds like someone who walks around in a dirty raincoat and boots...<br /><br />Re: Cribbing songs/lyrics. Sting claims the line "every breath you take, every move you make" came to him one night in a dream, but lair claimed he was paying homage to Gene Pitney's "Every Breath I Take."<br /><br />But...if you listen to Zep's "D'yer Maker"...<br /><br /><i>Oh oh oh oh oh oh <br />Every breath I take oh oh oh oh oh <br />Every move I make oh oh oh oh oh <br />Baby please don't go. </i><br /><br />Right down to the same bass progression.Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03664920037425489644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-74158321244814225562012-04-29T13:45:31.071-07:002012-04-29T13:45:31.071-07:00I gave up on Tull after Thick as a Brick, so I'...I gave up on Tull after Thick as a Brick, so I've not heard this before. Rock history has a lot of this kind of thing. Jimmy Page copping the opening bars of Stairway to Heaven from Randy California's Taurus, and taking Bert Jansch's arrangement of the traditional Black Water Side virtually note for note, allegedly shown to him by Al Stewart, and renaming it Black Mountain Side. That's when he wasn't stealing Willie Dixon tunes. Neil Young unconsciously copped Ambulance Blues from Bert Jansch's Needle of Death, but when it was pointed out he acknowledged the debt.<br /><br />ELP lifted whole movements from Janacek and Bartok, and only credited them when it turned out Janacek's widow was still alive and was threatening to sue. <br /><br />The funniest one of these stories I've heard is how when Paul Simon was hanging around Soho's folk clubs in the mid '60s, Martin Carthy kindly taught him his arrangement of Scarborough Fair, which he'd already recorded, only to have Simon take it and copyright it. A few years later, Carthy rang up Simon asking if the payment had come through. He told Simon he wanted to buy a house and needed 1800£, to which Simon said that's amazing, the payout is exactly 1800£. <br /><br />At the other extreme, we have Fred Frith who acknowledged on the sleeve of Henry Cow's Unrest that Bittern Storm Over Ulm owed something to Gotta Hurry by The Yardbirds. Had he not mentioned it I doubt anyone would have noticed, as they're radically different tunes. Gotta Hurry is credited to O. Rasputin, thought to be a pseudonym for Giorgio Gomelsky, as at the time producers commonly took the copyright on the b sides even though they hadn't actually written them.<br /><br />And just to be fair, Ian Anderson copped his whole style of physical performance and flute playing from Roland Kirk.<br /><br />bidzilibaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-19221002058627530932012-04-29T11:28:38.215-07:002012-04-29T11:28:38.215-07:00Hey Chris, awesome duet there. Glad Ian is still k...Hey Chris, awesome duet there. Glad Ian is still kickin' it and also that micro-gravity is fun for musicians. Hadn't considered that one. <br /><br />When in Moscow in 1981 I stumbled upon the official Yuri Gagarin tribute that is located in the suburbs. It's really over-the-top Soviet-era kitsch and must admit I was stunned. Fortunately it has not been dismantled and sent to the Communist Martyrs "Statue Parks" and you can check it out <a href="http://www.moscow-russia-insiders-guide.com/gagarin-statue-in-moscow.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a><br /><br />Thanks for sharing.Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1776456473941522431.post-34702052225053520112012-04-29T06:58:02.834-07:002012-04-29T06:58:02.834-07:00“We Used To Know”, is the title of an old Jethro T...<i>“We Used To Know”, is the title of an old Jethro Tull song, which has some notoriety as a result of the fact that the Eagles, which toured with Tull in ‘72, used the same chord progression in “Hotel California”. </i><br /><br />I never knew that!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN3KLL64mkI" rel="nofollow">One more reason...</a><br />~ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©https://www.blogger.com/profile/06252371815131259831noreply@blogger.com